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Define "cheese".

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A dairy milk-based food product.. what it has to do with films .....

I can only think that its means based on other other shows

Hair Styles of period
Sets perhaps of cardboard construct
Visual Effects of the time
Script and dialogue.

thats all I can think of at the moment .......

no cheese anywhere :rotfl::rotfl:

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I think that cheesy, as I understand it relating to movies, songs, etc, etc, is when something is just so corny, and or silly. I suppose that Back to the Future doesn't really fit that definition, because while it was silly fun, it wasn't so blatantly over the top with it's goofiness. Sure the whole time travel thing was hard to believe, but it was meant to be silly... that's what made the whole thing fun. When a movie is just so dang goofy, but it's not meant to be - it wants to be serious - then I think that's a good definition of cheesiness.

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If that's the case, then a good 90% of movies made, old OR new, are "cheesy".

"Cheesy" is a term that is so easily thrown around by people that just simply didn't like a particular movie or series, IMO.

I saw "Batman Begins" up there. It's just as cheesy as the original Batman was- The origin is basically the same in both. So if it's corny in one, then it's corny in the other. If it's unrealistic in one, then it is in the other as well.

I've seen people call the original BSG "cheesy" and the remake "cool". Why? The remake had VERY unrealistic characterizations.

A Cylon and a human having a kid? One is a machine, the other a human. Now THAT is "cheesy".

"We need to start making babies." An actual line from the remake mini. That on top of all the "sexualizations" in the series.

No... a more realistic line is: "We need to make sure the human race doesn't die out."

Then there is Star Trek. Many call the original cheesy. Why? It's no more unrealistic than "Enterprise" or, hell, even the latest, greatest SciFi flick.

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Dang! You beat me to it. ;)

Yep. If one movie is cheesy, they all are. (I guess that means I like cheesy)

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I gotta say, ST:I and V were terrible, IMO. IX was passable. So of all the odd numbered movies, only III and VII were any good. And Christopher Lloyd in ANYTHING = awesome

not quite. I think the definition would be where something tries to take itself seriously, but cant move beyond the constraints of the show - i.e. Star Trek was truly classic and groundbreaking, but the cheap sets, cheap effects and ultimately (again, in my opinion) saddled with unrealistic dialog. Corny speech, unbelievable characterizations, and a tendency to trope. Any movie can be dated; its whether the production brings us past it - like in Star Wars IV and V - or hampers it - like in TOS and TNG's early seasons. Yes, TOS outgrew its cheesiness on some level, on another it helped make it extremely popular.

yup. or anything with william shatner! :lol:

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My whole concept of good and bad, right and wrong, wonderful and awful.... it's all..... just so...... destroyed. *gasp*
I never saw the re-made Battlestar Galactica, so I can't comment on that, but....

"Batman Begins"? Cheesy?!?!
"Star Trek" (TOS)? Cheesy?!?
Anything with William Shatner?!?

Oh.... up must be down, sideways is forward, yesterday is next week.... my reality has been lost!

Aaaaoooaaaoooaaa! (<---- that's the sound of me wailing).

Just kidding. I guess this all means I like cheese, too! :)

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Shatner cheesy? I think not. ;)

Seriously, he has his moments. He also has moments of brilliance. The scene in Star Trek III where he finds out David is dead and stumbles back and falls in front of his command chair is just brilliant. I don't think he's ever done a better job of conveying emotion than he did in that scene. (meanwhile, "KHAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN" is just plain cheesy. :D) Plus, he's friggin' hilarious in Airplane II: The Sequel. :D

I like cheesiness in films. Without it, you'd just have documentaries and boring dramas. Cheesiness = fun. http://evilgenius180.files.wordpress.../party0006.gif Now, corniness is another matter, I can take or leave it.

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Star Trek TMP is perhaps my favourite Trek Movie if I base it on the amount of times I have watched it over the others.... it suffered for a story and a ending during the making and the crew lacked the familiarity of the old series.

Star Trek 5, suffered from the same thing and was closer to the old series than most which I think Shatner wanted to do. but again the story did not live up to to
it for a Movie.

Star Trek 2, 4 and 6 where the best in the sense of been closer to the original show.

Shatner I would also agree is no where cheesy .. the Death of Spock and the catch in the voice over the torpedo casing holding Spock body and the already mentioned
David death in Star Trek 3....

Star Trek 2 and the death of Spock was the only film I ever cried and I think that was in no small part to Shatner´s performance and Nimoy´s too.

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Well for the time the sets where not cheap "(at least not the Enterprise sets )" Star Trek was always meant to be serious and began that with The Cage.

I think that a vast majority of the Trek stories hold up well.
the Characters are some of the best in TV or Film esp in the original Trek.
I always found it intelligent and above all entertaining.
I think the word realistic is pressing in here. as most of the shows now made are filmed or apparently film with that in mind.

I also will say that the only TREK film I have found weakest was the newest trek film on a few levels.

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I like that "KHAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN" scene.... :) don´t tell me that
you never been annoyed by someone and never yelled at them ,,,,,,,

:rotfl:

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ST5 was a doomed movie. There was a writers' strike in 1989, which is why TNG's 2nd season has 4 less episodes than the others. That strike greatly affected ST5. Plus, you had Shatner as a first time director and they couldn't use ILM due to a scheduling conflict, so they had to use a new effects house. Add to that the fact that Paramount kept slashing Shat's budget and wouldn't let up on their deadline and that spells disaster. There are whole scenes, especially towards the end of the movie, that didn't make it in due to budget and time constraints. It's amazing that he was able to do with it what he did. I like it, it's a darn good film, IMO, made even better when you know what he went through just to get it made. Though, it would be interesting to see the film as he envisioned it VS what was released and see which is better.

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Don't get me wrong, I love that scene. But it's corny as hell. It's a good corny, though. :D

I could just see Nicholas Meyer off screen telling Shatner "OK, do it one more time, but this time make it bigger." (and repeating that until it was over the top :))

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I liked him screaming Khan's name too - I thought it was a good show of his rage. But IMO, one line could have made the final showdwon between Khan and Kirk sooooo much better.
When Kirk says
"Khan, we tried it once your way. Are you game for a rematch?"
No response.
"Khan. I'm laughing at the 'superior intellect'."

Right there.... right in that exact spot, Kirk should have looked right at the viewscreen and said

"Khan, you're a fool." Then ended the transmission, and left Khan to chew on that.
To me, that would have really ground salt into Khan's massive, damaged ego.

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I agree. I read this in Shatner books ......

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lol ...... I can almost see that myself :D

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that would be good :)

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I lost count.... which one was ST5?

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Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Kirk and company are called back from shore leave when there's a hostage situation on the "Planet of Galactic Peace" (Nimbus III) in the neutral zone. There are other ships available but no experienced commanders, so Admiral Harve Bennett (in his only cameo appearance in the 4 ST films he produced) "needs Jim Kirk." It's a very TOS-ish over-the-top type of story where Spock's long lost half brother commandeers the Enterprise (thanks mostly to her skeleton crew) and takes it to the center of the galaxy, followed closely by a Klingon Bird of Prey. Personally, I think it's a great movie. :)

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ST5... the magical, unknown half-brother of Spock!