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November 22nd, 2023, 03:22 PM
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Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
These have been my project for the last few months.
Starting from my Reimagined Classic Enterprise later converted from it to the Phase II design and then I worked on converting my Miranda Class and now I have started a Phase II Excelsior Class.
With that, I have all the names of the Classic Enterprise and the Phase II designs
00 U.S.S. CONSTITUTION NX/NCC-1700
01 U.S.S. ENTERPRISE NCC-1701
02 U.S.S. CONSTELLATION NCC-1071
03 U.S.S. HOOD NCC-1703
04 U.S.S. EAGLE NCC-956
05 U.S.S. EXCALIBUR NCC-1664
06 U.S.S. FARRAGUT NCC-1647
07 U.S.S. VALIANT* NCC-1623
08 U.S.S. INTREPID NCC-1631
09 U.S.S. LEXINGTON NCC-1709
10 U.S.S. KONGO NCC-1710
11 U.S.S. POTEMKIN NCC-1657
12 U.S.S. REPUBLIC** NCC-1371
13 U.S.S. DEFIANT NCC-1764
14 U.S.S. HORNET NCC-1868
15 U.S.S. EMDEN NCC-1856
16 U.S.S. EXETER NCC-1672
17 U.S.S. YORKTOWN NCC-1717
18 U.S.S. ENDEAVOUR NCC-1895
19 U.S.S. ESSEX*** NCC-1697
20 U.S.S. LAFAYETTE****NCC-1720
Phase II Refit I have no plans to add more names
01 U.S.S. CONSTITUTION NCC 1700 (Training Vessel)
02 U.S.S. ENTERPRISE NCC 1701 (First Refit Vessel)
03 U.S.S. EAGLE NCC 956
04 U.S.S. EXETER NCC 1672
05 U.S.S. EXCALIBUR NCC 1664
06 U.S.S. HOOD NCC 1703
07 U.S.S. FARRAGUT NCC 1647
08 U.S.S. LEXINGTON NCC 1709
09 U.S.S. KONGO NCC 1710
10 U.S.S. POTEMKIN NCC 1657
11 U.S.S. REPUBLIC NCC 1371
12 U.S.S. HORNET NCC 1868
13 U.S.S. YORKTOWN NCC 1717
14 U.S.S. VALIANT NCC 1623
15 U.S.S. LAFAYETTE NCC 1720
16 U.S.S. ESSEX NCC 1697
17 U.S.S. ENDEAVOUR NCC 1895
18 U.S.S. EMDEN NCC 1856 (Replaced CONSTELLATION)
19 U.S.S. KOROLEV NCC 2014 (Replaced INTREPID)
20 U.S.S. AHWAHNEE NCC 2048 (Replaced DEFIANT)
21 U.S.S. CHALLANGER NCC 2032
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April 18th, 2024, 06:41 AM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
it's so quiet.. but here is the latest from the Phase II Excelsior..
This is my last year modelling Star Trek
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September 17th, 2024, 01:36 PM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
Some PhaseII Art
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September 18th, 2024, 10:27 AM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
I love the PhII stuff, but I do have one minor nit-pic:
The PhII Excalibur NCC-1664 should not have that NCC number. NCC-1664 should be a retired number. This is why in TNG, the Ambassador Class Excalibur had a new number.
Maybe go with what I have seen in Fan Films for it, and seen referenced elsewhere - NCC-1705.
I also love how the Ent-A is a new design rather than another Connie with the number slapped on it.
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September 18th, 2024, 11:19 AM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
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Originally Posted by Darrell Lawrence
I love the PhII stuff, but I do have one minor nit-pic:
The PhII Excalibur NCC-1664 should not have that NCC number. NCC-1664 should be a retired number. This is why in TNG, the Ambassador Class Excalibur had a new number.
Maybe go with what I have seen in Fan Films for it, and seen referenced elsewhere - NCC-1705.
I also love how the Ent-A is a new design rather than another Connie with the number slapped on it.
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Thanks, yes the Excalibur number bugs me, in fact each that is below the 1700 range does.
but as it was used in the CGI update done for the TOS, at least according to memory-alpha site
The registry of the Excalibur was not confirmed until it was seen on the CGI model in the 2008 remastered version of "The Ultimate Computer". The registry was first connected with the starship in Greg Jein's influential "The Case of Jonathan Doe Starship" article, published in the April 1973 issue 27 of the T-Negative fanzine. In the article, Jein had made an attempt to "logically" couple the registry numbers as seen in "Court Martial" with the names listed in the reference book The Making of Star Trek. His conjectural ship's registry has been subsequently propagated in the Star Trek Concordance and the Star Trek Encyclopedia, the latter co-authored by future remastering project Visual Effects Producer Michael Okuda, who made use of the remastering opportunity to elevate Jein's until then conjectural ship's registry to canon. With the high-definition version of "Court Martial", the registry, which had been read as NCC-1664, was determined to be NCC-1864. This registry was that of the USS Reliant.
While I admire Greg Jein's attempt, I'm not fond of the Constitution Class reg numbers below 1700.
If I could have my way it would be as follows:it is a list that has gone through many changes over the last few years
00 U.S.S. CONSTITUTION NX/NCC 1700
01 U.S.S. ENTERPRISE NCC 1701
02 U.S.S. CONSTELLATION NCC 1702
03 U.S.S. HOOD NCC 1703
04 U.S.S. EAGLE NCC 1704
05 U.S.S. EXCALIBUR NCC 1705
06 U.S.S. FARRAGUT NCC 1706
07 U.S.S. VALIANT* NCC 1707
08 U.S.S. INTREPID NCC 1708
09 U.S.S. LEXINGTON NCC 1709
10 U.S.S. KONGO NCC 1710
11 U.S.S. POTEMKIN NCC 1711
12 U.S.S. REPUBLIC NCC 1712
13 U.S.S. DEFIANT NCC 1713
14 U.S.S. HORNET NCC 1714
15 U.S.S. EMDEN NCC 1715 *****
16 U.S.S. EXETER NCC 1716
17 U.S.S. YORKTOWN NCC 1717
18 U.S.S. ENDEAVOUR NCC 1718
19 U.S.S. ESSEX NCC 1719
20 U.S.S. LAFAYETTE* NCC 1720
***** The U.S.S. EMDEN NCC-1856 in canon I would have it as 1715 replaces the USS Merrimac It was classified as a cruiser. the Merrimac was mentioned in comm chatter intercepted by the Epsilon IX station. (Star Trek: The Motion Picture) as it is not a Constitution class I removed it from my original list, the USS Emden is on a chart in ST The Undiscovered Country, Operation Retrieve scene.. in most areas, this was cut from the final film but I remember seeing it.
I spent far to long working on this background data a few years ago.. non the less that my reasoning
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September 18th, 2024, 11:34 AM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
For those others with numbers under 1700 besides the Excalibur (and ....Constellation? Commodore Decker's ship, right? NCC-1017 was shown on screen), when/where was it determined they were Constitution Class ships?
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September 18th, 2024, 01:21 PM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
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Originally Posted by Darrell Lawrence
For those others with numbers under 1700 besides the Excalibur (and ....Constellation? Commodore Decker's ship, right? NCC-1017 was shown on screen), when/where was it determined they were Constitution Class ships?
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Almost all come from the ST production team, namely Justman and Fontana:
After the first season had concluded its run, it dawned upon Original Series producers Robert H. Justman and D.C. Fontana that a need had arisen to keep track of the already mentioned Constitution-class starships for future production reference. After some corresponding with suggestions to and fro, a definitive name list of vessels belonging to the, then still called Starship-class, was agreed upon by the producers (dutifully carried over to the decal sheet of AMT's 1968 re-issue USS Enterprise model kit) at the start of the series' second season, and comprised the following vessels (The Making of Star Trek, pp. 163-165),
D.C. Fontana's[1] proposal 8 August 1967
Enterprise
Exeter
Essex
Excalibur
Lexington
Yorktown
Endeavor I prefare this spelling - Endeavour )
El Dorado
Excelsior
Saratoga
Constellation (destroyed in "Doomsday Machine." Presume she would be replaced by Starfleet)
Hornet
Wasp
Farragut (mentioned as destroyed in "Obsession")
Hood
Bonhomme Richard
Monitor or Merrimac, depending upon your loyalties
Tori ("bird" [note: in Japanese])
Lafayette
Ari ("lion" [note: in Hebrew])
Krieger ("warrior" [note: in German])
Justman's[2] proposal 9 August 1967
Enterprise
Essex[3]
Excalibur
Lexington
Yorktown
Endeavor
Eagle[3]
Constellation
Hornet
Wasp
Lafayette
Definitive list as utilized at the start of Season 2
Enterprise
Exeter
Excalibur
Lexington
Yorktown
Potemkin
Republic
Hood
Constitution[4]
Kongo[4]
Constellation
Farragut[5]
Valiant
Intrepid
Greg Jein's "The Case of Jonathan Doe Starship" article used the chart in Commodore Stone's office in Court Martial as his inspiration but also scripts
He mentions the U.S.S. Valiant from the episode "A Taste of Armageddon" It is mentioned in the episode that the Valiant was destroyed 50 years before the Enterprise's contact with Eminiar VII, the problem with that is the Constitution class was first built around 10 years after this,?
Others did the calculation but the Valiant would have been destroyed in 2217 the Enterprise was launched in 2245. I guess the Constitution a short time before.
There were only 11 ships mentioned or seen on screen in the original version of the TOS as far as I know
01. U.S.S. ENTERPRISE:
02. U.S.S. CONSTELLATION: The Doomsday Machine
03. U.S.S. HOOD: The Ultimate Computer
04. U.S.S. EXCALIBUR: The Ultimate Computer
05. U.S.S. LEXINGTON: The Ultimate Computer
06. U.S.S. POTEMKIN: The Ultimate Computer
07. U.S.S. FARRAGUT: Obsession/dialogue only
08. U.S.S. YORKTOWN Obsession/dialogue only
09. U.S.S. INTREPID: The Immunity Syndrome
10. U.S.S. DEFIANT: The Tholian Web
11. U.S.S. EXETER: The Omega Glory
12. U.S.S. CONSTITUTION is implied given the name of the class of the ship.
This name was first going to be suggested in Space Seed when Khan was reading the Enterprise Technical manual, but later read by Scotty in "The Trouble with Tribbles"
PRIMARY PHASER L, R
STAR SHIP MK IX/01
CONSTITUTION CLASS
USS Defiant (NCC-1764) in ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly"
and TOS-R: "The Tholian Web"
USS Exeter (NCC-1672) in TOS-R: "The Omega Glory"
USS Intrepid (NCC-1631) in TOS-R: "Court Martial"
USS Excalibur (NCC-1664) in TOS-R: "The Ultimate Computer"
USS Hood (NCC-1703) in TOS-R: "The Ultimate Computer"
USS Lexington (NCC-1709) in TOS-R: "The Ultimate Computer"
Lots of details have entered canon without it really being mentioned on screen.
like the scale of the Enterprise, never mentioned on screen only in The Making of Star Trek book and AMT Models.. I find the scale of 947ft unworkable .. having tried to build it to scale.. does not work for me at all..
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September 18th, 2024, 02:12 PM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
...hmmm So the -R eps, plus that Enterprise ep and The Doomsday Machine, that actually show them are the only "true" canon. Interesting.
So my personal take, after seeing that info, would be that those with numbers prior to 1700 would be legacy numbers, meaning there were ships prior to them that carried that NCC #, but weren't Connies.
As an example - A Daedalus Class vessel named USS Excalibur, NCC-1664 went OUT of service, then a new vessel, the Connie version of USS Excalibur NCC-1664, came INTO service. They just didn't add any bloody A, B, C or D back then
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September 18th, 2024, 02:31 PM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
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Originally Posted by Darrell Lawrence
...hmmm So the -R eps, plus that Enterprise ep and The Doomsday Machine, that actually show them are the only "true" canon. Interesting.
So my personal take, after seeing that info, would that those with numbers prior to 1700 would be legacy numbers, meaning there were ships prior to them that carried that NCC #, but weren't Connies.
As an example - A Daedalus Class vessel names USS Excalibur, NCC-1664 went OUT of service, then a new vessel, the Connie version of USS Excalibur NCC-1664, came INTO service. They just didn't add any bloody A, B, C or D back then
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This is my thinking also, Esp for the low USS Eagle. NCC-956
I have included the charts for Operation Retrieve
Starships assigned to Operation Retrieve Name Registry Class
USS Ahwahnee NCC-2048 Constitution-class
USS Eagle NCC-956 Constitution-class
USS Emden NCC-1856 Constitution-class
USS Endeavour NCC-1895 Constitution-class
USS Excelsior NCC-2000 Excelsior-class
USS Potemkin NCC-1657 Constitution-class
"Operation Retrieve" Command Briefing
Starship Registry Commander Location
USS Excelsior NCC-2000 H. Sulu Sector 21185
USS Potemkin NCC-1657 D.M. Flinn Sector 21185
USS John Muir NCC-1732 S.C. Jaffe Starbase 24
USS Helin NCC-1692 R. Brookshire Sector 21290
USS Endeavour NCC-1895 D. Wise Sector 22849
USS Eagle NCC-956 K. Garretson Sector 22858
USS Republic NCC-1371 H. Zimmerman Sector 22956
USS Kongo NCC-1710 N. Rodis Sector 21803
USS Whorfin NCC-1024 H. Narita Sector 21399
USS Springfield NCC-1963 D. Bayard Sector 21835
USS Challenger NCC-2032 M. Michaels Sector 21166
USS Constellation NX-1974 G. Cantemessa Sector 23006
USS Scovill NCC-1598 D. Hulett Sector 21837
USS Lantree NCC-1837 K. Glover Sector 22858
USS Oberth NCC-602 R. Morey Sector 22956
USS Emden NCC-1856 C. Thomas Sector 21803
USS Korolev NCC-2014 J. Downer Sector 21399
USS Ahwahnee NCC-2048 D. Tathwell Sector 21835
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September 18th, 2024, 02:47 PM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
Ok... the third attachment shows THREE different silhouettes.
One is clearly the Excelsior class, one is clearly the Connie class, BUT...
The other one is SMALLER than the Connie class, which is telling me it is a different, unidentified class. So the class of vessel for the Eagle, Emden and Ahwahnee are unknown.
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September 19th, 2024, 01:09 AM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
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Originally Posted by Darrell Lawrence
Ok... the third attachment shows THREE different silhouettes.
One is clearly the Excelsior class, one is clearly the Connie class, BUT...
The other one is SMALLER than the Connie class, which is telling me it is a different, unidentified class. So the class of vessel for the Eagle, Emden and Ahwahnee are unknown.
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I think the silhouette size is meant to show relative position suggesting 3d in a 2d plane, at least that was my thinking at the time .. but I think given who was in charge and the creator of the charts is Michael Okuda, I guess wanted in this last of the original cast films to try to define the other Constitution Class ships. I think the Eagle is a Constitution CLass but thats just my view on it. however, I do dislike its low reg.
Okuda's Star Trek Encyclopedia, 4th ed., vol. 2, p. 328 listed the ship as what later became known as a Constitution II-class vessel. Its unusual low registry though, suggested that Eagle started out live as an original configuration Constitution-class vessel and was like original class sister USS Enterprise refitted afterwards.
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September 20th, 2024, 12:58 PM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
Bah humbug! I want different classes, dag nab it!
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September 20th, 2024, 01:41 PM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
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Bah humbug! I want different classes, dag nab it!
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I created some different classes for my reimagined fleet
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September 22nd, 2024, 08:32 PM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
Other than the Miranda Class, when did you post those others? Did I totally miss those?
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September 23rd, 2024, 04:09 AM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
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Other than the Miranda Class, when did you post those others? Did I totally miss those?
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Yes 2020
https://www.3dgladiators.net/forums/...ad.php?t=23936
I have updated them and redesigned some of the models a little... I can post again
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September 23rd, 2024, 11:54 AM
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
Are you going to Phase II those as well?
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Re: Star Trek Phase II Reimagened
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Are you going to Phase II those as well?
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I was planning on it,, its just finding the time now
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